Thursday, December 7, 2006
Is the 1/8th Gas Buggy market flooded?是1/8th氣體小車市場充斥呢？ Categories - Brand, Gas Off Road, Cars, Racing, Products , trackback
On Tuesday I reported about the news that對週二我報告有關的消息 Technokit technokit was to enter the 1/8th scale buggy market.是進入1/8th規模的小車市場。 At the time I noted that its a very flooded market and it would be bigger news if a manufacturer stated that they werent going to enter this class.在當時，我指出，它的一個非常充斥市場，那將是更大的新聞，如果製造商表示，他們werent要進入這一階層。 Well i did a little research to follow up on that comment and was amazed to have come up with a list totalling 29 31 manufacturers (that i know of) that currently have, or are close to releasing, a 1/8th scale gas powered buggy.以及我做了一點研究，跟進這一評論，並感到驚訝，想出了一份清單，共計29 31製造商（我知道） ，目前有，或已接近釋放， 1/8th規模的天然氣動力車。 That is a huge number of players all fighting for the same piece of the pie, in a market that is becoming more crowded than a rush hour train in Bangladesh.這是一個巨大的數目，所有的球員爭取同一塊餅，在市場上是越來越擁擠的比尖峰時段列車在孟加拉國。
Who are these manufacturers and who really is left that can join in?誰是這些製造商和誰真的是左能夠參加在？ Read More…閱讀更多資訊…
Like i’ve said before, it’s easier to see whos left.像我已經說過，它的更容易地看到， whos離開。 So who is left to join?那麼誰是左加入？ Well from the main manufacturers you have Academy, Corally, Motonica, Schumacher, Serpent, Shepherd, Tamiya and Yokomo who have yet to join this class but these companies have very niche markets and are small to medium sized.以及從主要製造商，你有學院， corally ， motonica ，舒馬赫，蛇，牧羊者，田宮和yokomo誰尚未加入這一階層，但這些公司有非常利基市場和中小企業。 With the exception of Schumacher who distribute the Nanda buggy in Europe i havent heard of any cross over plans or intentions for these manufacturers to join the buggy brigade but perhaps they will, if anyone knows different then please drop me a mail.與除舒馬赫誰分發南達小車在歐洲i havent聽到任何跨越計劃或意圖為這些製造商加入小車旅，但他們或許會，如果有人知道，不同的下降，然後請我的郵件。
So who is already in this far from exclusive club?那麼誰是已經在這方面遠遠獨家俱樂部？ Well the list below shows the current lineup of manufacturers and brands currently with a car which totals 27 and with the addition of Team Associated, who are currently testing their own car, that makes 28.以及下面的列表中顯示當前的陣容，製造商和品牌，目前與汽車總數27日和加上相關的團隊，誰是目前正在測試他們自己的汽車，這使得28 。 Associated no doubt influenced by owner Thunder Tiger and after seeing long time rivals Team Losi enter the class successfully with their 8ight buggy perhaps they were also more driven to enter.相關毫無疑問，影響業主雷聲大，老虎和看到後很長時間隊的對手losi進入一流的成功與他們的8ight小車，或許他們也帶動更多的進入。 Technokit confirming their intentions makes it 29 although please let me know if i’m missing anyone. technokit確認他們的意圖，令29日雖然請讓我知道如果我失踪的人。
UPDATE - I have added the Carson Specter and the Speedline SPR-11 to bring the total up to 31.更新-我已經添加了卡森的幽靈和s peedline的S PR- 1 1把，共多達3 1個。
Manufacturers sorted alphabetically 製造商的字母順序
Bergonzoni / The R1貝爾貢佐尼/ R1的
Carson / The Specter卡森/幽靈
Caster Racing / The ZX-1R PRO連鑄機賽車/ zx - 1R的親
CEN / The Matrix岑/矩陣
Crono / The RS03 crono / rs03
GS Racing / The Storm CL1一般事務賽車/風暴cl1
Himoto / The RXB-1 Pro himoto / rxb - 1親
HoBao / The Hyper 8 hobao /超8
Hong Nor / The X1-CR香港也不/ x1鉻
Hot Bodies / The Lightning 2 Pro熱點團體/閃電二親
Kyosho / The Inferno MP777 kyosho /地獄mp777
Laro / The Diablo 5 laro /暗黑5
Mugen / MBX-5R木/ mbx - 5 R
Nanda / The NRB-3南達/ nrb - 3
Nuova Faor / The Matador nuova faor /鬥牛士
O Donnell / The O Donnell buggy o donnell /澳donnell小車
OCM Racing / The Kaos DT-19 ocm賽車/ kaos DT公司- 19
OFNA Jammin / The X-1 CR/FT ofna jammin / X - 1的鉻/英尺
Piktor / The Rush 2 piktor /繁忙2
Protech / The Yada Pro protech /亞達親
Robitronic / The Protos robitronic / protos
Sidorf / The R-1 sidorf /的R - 1
Speedline / The SPR-11 speedline /儲備- 11
Sportwerks / The Turmoil Pro sportwerks /金融風暴的親
Team Losi / The 8ight團隊losi / 8ight
Team Magic / The M1B魔術隊/ m1b
Team Vertex / The VTX-B1團隊頂點/ vtx - B1的
Thunder Tiger / The EB4 S3 Pro雷聲大，老虎/ eb4三親
Xray / The XB8 TQ X射線/ xb8 tq
So as an answer to the question that i posed in the headline of this report ‘Is the 1/8th Gas Buggy market flooded?’ my answer is a resounding yes, but maybe this segment will continue to grow and can accomodate all these buggies, who knows?因此，作為一個問題的答案，我所帶來的在標題中的這份報告'是1/8th氣體小車市場充斥呢？ '我的答案是一個響亮的不錯，但也許這部分將繼續成長，可以容納所有這些手推車，誰知道？ Let me have your thoughts in the comments section below.讓我有你的想法在評論中下面一節。
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Hi,嗨，
Although it looks dramaticly the real story is there are less numbers manufacturers as described in your article that however in editorial point of view is written very nicely.雖然看起來dramaticly的真實故事是有人數較少的製造商所描述的在您的文章指出，然而，在編輯的角度來看，是寫得很漂亮。 thumbs up for that.大拇指為。
From my information:從我的信息：
Hong Nor makes the X1CR as manufacturer under its own name and is distibuted in USA as Jammin/OFNA.香港也使x1cr作為製造商根據其本身的名稱和distibuted是在美國作為jammin / ofna 。
For those concernend OFNA is nothing more then a distributor who labels cars to their own brand name.對於那些concernend ofna無非是，然後分銷商誰標籤的汽車自己的品牌名稱。
Hong Nor is a so called OEM manufacturer.香港也不是所謂的OEM製造商。
Same can be said for the Laro Diablo 5.同時，可以說是為laro暗黑5 。 If I am not mistaken this car is made in far east.如果我沒有錯，這車是在遠東。 Is sold in Italy as Laro Diablo 5 and in the USA as TEAM VERTEX.出售在意大利作為laro暗黑5和在美國的團隊頂點。 If I am not mistaken the orginal manufactuer is Himoto.如果我沒有錯的原manufactuer是himoto 。
Same for the Nanda car.同時為南達汽車。
In England as Schumacher and USA as Power Racing.在英格蘭，作為舒馬赫和美國電力賽車。
Some Large ONROAD manufacturers are alredy having a good market in their own disipline they will not take the jump.一些大型onroad製造商alredy有一個良好的市場在自己的disipline他們不會採取跳轉。
Remember that only the backyard bashers and rtr market is important for a manufacturer if they have done their home work correctly.請記住，只有後院bashers和rtr市場是很重要的製造商，如果他們做了他們的家正常運作。
We as PRO drivers only cost them money!我們作為專業司機的成本只有他們錢！ ;-)
Regards and keep up the good work.的問候，並保持了良好的工作。
Paco Raap帕克raap
I agree with Paco..the RTR is a huge market which many can’t ignore.我同意帕克.. rtr是一個巨大的市場，其中許多不能忽視。
I remember many years ago……GAS cars cost a bomb to start compared with EP……..now it is cheaper to run compared with EP or Gas on road…..我記得很多年前… …天然氣汽車的成本炸彈開始相比的EP … … ..現在是便宜，運行比較， EP或氣體對道路… ..
Why it is winning according to my opinion….it jumps, crash, durable, sounds wicked, cheap to maintain, runs under all kind of conditions….rain or shine….plus the advantage of fuel and go.為什麼它正贏得根據我的意見… …它的跳躍，撞擊，耐用，聲音邪惡的，廉價的維持，下運行的所有種條件… … 。寵辱不驚… … 。再加上利用燃料和路要走。
Nowadays, everyone wants one…..including kids….that’s is why they are all coming in to have a share of the pie.如今，每個人都想一… ..包括孩子們… … 。這就是為什麼他們都是在未來有一個份額的蛋糕。
All this brings lots of innovations to buggies and most important of all….PRICE………..getting cheaper to buy as each day goes by.這一切都帶來了很多創新的手推車和最重要的… … 。價格… … … ..越來越便宜，購買作為每一天的推移。
As Paco said……good drivers don’t comes cheap or free.作為帕克說， … …良好的司機不來的廉價或免費的。 That’s true….if there’s aren’t marketing who’s the hell gonna buy it.這是真的… … 。如果有不營銷誰的地獄在哪裡買。
You know human beings ( consumer )…..they may be a bad driver….but owning a WINNING car is all that matters to them.你知道人（消費者） … ..他們可能是一個壞的驅動程序… ，但擁有一個打贏汽車是所有的事項，向他們。
In Denmark where i drive 1/8 off-road, it is almost impossible to locate a spot where you can create a on-road track, but it is much more easy to locate a spot for a off-road track (and cheaper).在丹麥，我的驅動器1 / 8場外的道路，這是幾乎不可能找到一個地方，您可以創建一個對路面的軌道，但它是更為容易找到一個現場為小康路軌道（便宜） 。 This has helped the off-road market to grow in Denmark, and there are many new and small clubs all around the country that slowly grows to become a regular club - and over time some of these might even get a on-road track!?這有助於小康路市場成長在丹麥，也有許多新的和小俱樂部的所有在該國各地慢慢長大成為一個經常性俱樂部-隨著時間的推移，一些這些，甚至可能獲得對道路的跟踪！ ？
Anderds anderds
Good point Paco, i was aware of a lot of branded OEM cars but its difficult to know which is which but of course despite the cars being similar or even just the same its still yet another choice for the customer.好一點，帕克，我知道了很多品牌的OEM車，但其很難知道這是哪，但當然，儘管汽車被類似或什至只是同其仍未另一種選擇，為客戶。 Perhaps its only hurting the bigger players in the market because people have more choice?也許是其唯一的傷害更大的球員在市場上，因為人們有更多的選擇呢？ Thanks for the comments.感謝您的評論。
Sangkei, i think you hit the nail on the head with regards the popularity of the class, it is great fun and you can go anywhere with them. sangkei ，我認為你一針見血地的頭部方面的受歡迎程度，一流的，這是很有趣，你可以去任何地方與他們。 And its funny but true that they are now the entry level car for a lot of people.及其搞笑，但的確，他們現在入門級車了很多人。 Regarding innovation, apart from stronger materials and with the exception of Piktor and Losi and a handful of others, the technology in these cars has been pretty static for a while.關於創新，除了更強的材料和與除piktor和losi和少數其他國家，科技在這些車已相當靜了一會兒。 In my opinion the OEM cars don’t really add to the innovation pool as all they seem to make is very basic copies of more successful cars.在我認為的OEM車真的不添加到創新池作為所有他們似乎是很基本的副本，更成功的車。
Anders, this is true as you point out, its a very good thing in starting up clubs because of their go anywhere characteristics and so the barrier to entry for a club to start up is much smaller than that of gas on road for example.安德斯，這是事實，正如你指出，它是一種非常好的事情，在創業俱樂部，因為他們去任何地方的特點和障礙，因此，進入俱樂部，開始了遠小於氣體對道路的例子。
Thanks for your input guys感謝您的輸入傢伙
you forgot Tamiya.您忘了田宮。 They havent joined the party他們havent加入黨
Thanks JQ, updated and added Tamiya感謝jq ，更新和補充，田宮
Nice one!尼斯一！ The only car I ‘miss’ is the Specter from Carson that took the European ‘B’ title this year!唯一的青睞，我'小姐'是幽靈從卡森了歐洲的B '標題今年！
Specter from Carson is made by an other Far east OEM manufacturer.幽靈從卡森是由一其他遠東地區的OEM製造商。 Carson originated in Germany is nothing more then an European version of OFNA!卡森起源於德國，只不過是當時的歐洲版本的ofna ！ ;-)
For what it is worth.什麼是值得的。
You go to a modelshop and buy as new bie what they adivse or what the you thinks is a freeking, bad ass car.你去一modelshop和購買新的國際展覽局是什麼，他們adivse或什麼，您認為是一個freeking ，驢壞車。
Brand addiction or quality is not importatn for that kind of customer as they have no knowledge yet what is going on.品牌成癮或素質不importatn該種客戶因為他們沒有知識，但是怎麼回事。
This is what I mean what is important for a manufacturer for producing RTR’s as much as possible and becoming more important as the market grows due to lower prices.這是我的意思是什麼重要的製造商生產rtr的，盡可能多和越來越重要，隨著市場的增長，由於較低的價格。
The hard core race market only consist of people knowing every inch of the hobby spending less as possible!!!辛勤的核心市場，只有種族構成的人知道的每一寸愛好的開支盡可能少！
You are one too otherwise you would not be reading this or are you a new bie?你是一太否則，你不會讀或這是你一個新的別？
Keep on racing and smiling.保持對賽車和面帶微笑。
Paco帕克
I say what’s the point???我說什麼樣的點？ ？ ？ How many of these companies are qualified or have qualified staff to design and build a better buggy than say a mugen or xray?有多少是這些公司有資格或有合格的工作人員來設計和建設一個更美好的小車比說，一木或X射線？ The buggy market is easy to get into.該小車市場是很容易進入。 Look at losi… they took a standard design, changed things around so it looked different and now everyone has to have it.看看losi … …他們採取了標準設計，改變周圍的事物，所以它期待不同，現在大家都必須有它。 It’s our own fault fellas!這是我們的自身故障fellas ！
YOu missed another new entry into the market,你錯過了另一個新進入市場，
www.team-speedline.com www.team - speedline.com
What I dont understand is why so many of these new companies just copy a current car without doing anything new or original.我不用明白的是，為何有這麼多，這些新公司只複製目前的汽車沒有做任何新的或原來的。 Nothing to make them stand out.沒有什麼，使他們站出來。 Whats the poing of that????什麼該poing的是什麼？ ？ ？ ？
BTW, euros B was won with a Crono的BTW ，歐元B是韓元與crono
Sorry guys, already thought it was a bit strange… The Specter got his EC B junior(!) title….對不起傢伙，已經以為這是有點奇怪…幽靈得到了歐共體b初級（ ！ ）標題… … 。 But as all buggys are the same he could just as well have won the B… No, just kidding!但正如所有buggys是相同的，他可以一樣，贏得了的B …沒有，只是開玩笑！ By the way, thanks Paco, didn’t knew that from Carson, really thaught they made there own ‘things’.由的方式，感謝帕克，不知道從卡森，真的thaught他們有自己的'東西' 。
JQ, jq ，
I am with you.我與您聯繫。
To many things in my head to make a whole different buggy.很多事情在我的頭，使整個不同的小車。
But who listens to me?但誰聽我說話嗎？ :-)
No problem Bart.沒有問題的巴特。
Knowledge is power and power is……..知識就是力量和權力是… … ..
Dont mind.不要介意。
Just quit programming CTSS and made some time to look here.剛剛結束的編程跨網車船津貼計劃，並取得了一些時間去看看這裡。
Paco帕克
Since the Kyosho Burns of the end of the 80’s the whole concept of a 1:8th nitro offroad buggy has reached a sort of ‘end form’.自kyosho燒傷年底， 80年代的整個概念， 1日1時08分硝基越野車已達到了一種'端的形式' 。 Now the innovations are minimal, and the design and looks of a 1:8th buggy is pretty standard, short: the look al the same, and the use all simular techniques.現在，創新是微乎其微，和設計，並期待一個1:8次小車是非常標準的，短期：外觀基地，同時，和使用的所有simular技術。 So it is easy to compete in a shop for any brand, since the only thing really different between all brands is the color, espaccially in the RTR market.因此，競爭較為容易在一間店鋪的任何品牌，因為只有真正不同的事之間的所有品牌的是顏色， espaccially ，在rtr市場。 It is easy to copy a concept (most chinese OEM offroads -like the Caster- are direct copies of the Mugen MBX) anr these ‘copies’ are easy to market, since no costumer will see the difference between the buggies.這是很容易複製的概念（大部分中國的OEM offroads -連鑄機一樣-都是直接拷貝的木mbx ）國家情報局這些'份'是容易的市場，由於沒有costumer會看到之間的差異手推車。 So since they are easy (cheap) to develop and easy to sell, many brands like to bring a buggy in order to earn some extra revenues..所以，因為它們很容易（廉價）制定和容易出售，許多品牌一樣，把一個漏洞百出，以賺取一些額外的收入..
As for your editorial: GREAT, nice story!至於您社論：偉大的，好的故事！ keep up the good work!保持了良好的工作！
But Schumacher has for many years a Buggy in their programm: the Shumacher Swift!但舒馬赫已經多年，一小車在他們的程序： shumacher迅速！ And Serpent has build a 1:8 buggy in the past; the Cobra in de mid 80’s.和蛇已建立一個1:8小車在過去的;眼鏡蛇在De中80的。
Hi Guys thanks for all your comments, good debate here.嗨，大家好，感謝您的所有意見，好的辯論在這裡。 Bart, yes i know about the Serpent buggy but i was only mentioning the current state of play.巴特，是我知道關於蛇小車，但我只是一提的現狀發揮。 What you say is very true and a point i missed, the cars have reached an ‘end form’.什麼你說是非常的真實和一個點，我錯過了，車已達到1 '端的形式' 。 What is needed for true innovation is rule changes, dont know what but it would stir it up in the design dept.什麼是需要真正的創新是規則的改變，不知道是什麼，但會挑起它在設計部。
Kind of like in F1, in the first year of a major rule change the car manufactuers have to adapt and the cars appear different, but as the rule is in place longer the cars start to look the same.種一樣，在F1 ，在第一年的一個主要規則改變汽車manufactuers要適應和汽車出現不同的，但由於規則是在發生的時間越長，車開始看起來一樣。
I have updated the list to 31 by adding the Carson and the Speedline.我有更新的清單至31日加入卡森和speedline 。
Hi Eoghain.喜eoghain 。 Great Article!偉大的文章！ You forgot Team Associated that is about to unveal his new car at the Neo-Invitational 2006.您忘了團隊相關的是即將unveal他的新汽車上的新邀請賽於2006年。 Another secret is that Serpent is also developing a Buggy!另一個秘密是，蛇，還將開發一種漏洞百出！ :-)
it don’t matter if there are 1000 different buggy out there.它不事，如果有1000個不同的小車在那裡。 the big brand still dominate as they are well know and have better team driver.大品牌仍稱霸，因為他們清楚地知道，並有更好的團隊的驅動程序。 leave other smaller brand in the state of no support by hobby shop.離開其他較小的品牌，在國家不支持的嗜好店。 hence they will die out soon or later and forcing the consumer to purchase the top brand.因此，他們將死於即將或更高版本，並迫使消費者購買頂端的品牌。 the richer get rich, poor get poorer較富裕的先富起來，窮人得到較差
Great article!偉大的文章！
To answer the topic..回答的話題.. i think everyone agrees that is is flooded.我認為每個人都同意這是充斥。 The other manufacturer really took the risk just to have slight small pie of this out this very popular 1/8 scale market.其他製造商真的發生的風險，只是有輕微的小餡餅的這本很受歡迎的1 / 8大規模的市場。 When u have the money, hey go ahead.當u有金錢，嘿繼續進行。 Get the current top drivers out from their current brand.獲取當前熱門的司機，從他們目前的品牌。 Give them more, double, if not triple what’re getting now.給予他們更多的人，雙人，如果沒有獲得三重what're現在。 Hey, the higher the risk, the higher the income.嘿，危險性就越高，收入越高。 Thats basic financial management.這就是基本的財務管理。 but oops.但糟糕。 we’re talking about RC here.我們談論的鋼筋混凝土在這裡。 Oh well.哦。 same case.同一案件。 money does talk.金錢的交談。
Hi Alex, i mention that Team Associated with release a buggy but i didnt realize that they would so soon.喜徐家，我提到隊與釋放出一個漏洞百出，但我didn't實現，他們會這麼快。 I’m sure we will see pictures of it soon.我敢肯定，我們將看到的照片，它很快。
But as for the discussion; the market is not flooded by far!但對於討論;市場是不是充斥著遠！ As for ‘real’ 1/1 cars have many different brand, models and types, which are all one to one compareable with each other.至於真正的' 1 / 1車有很多不同的品牌，型號和種類，這些都是12時59分compareable與對方。 The basis is the same: four wheels, a steeringwheel and an engine.基礎是相同的：四個輪子， steeringwheel和一個引擎。 Still the one custumer buy’s an Opel and the other a Ford the third an Alfa Romeo.仍是一custumer購買的一歐寶和其他福特第三1阿爾法羅密歐。 The consumer asks for more choice and the (smart) producers give the consumer what they want: the consumer can choose from many brand, models and types!消費者要求有更多的選擇和（聰明）的生產者提供消費者他們想要的：消費者可以選擇從許多品牌，型號和種類！ So as long as the consumer market asks for more, the producers and shops will give them more!因此，只要消費市場，要求更多，生產者和商店會給予他們更多！
The real story is真實的故事，是
That the chinese market will always win .in price ,but you concider what will happen when a western influence jumps into china with quality control and top quality materials and top quality factories he or she can trust and manufacturers a top quality buggy at half the price of taiwan and europe .表示，中國市場將永遠得到，在價格，但你考慮會發生什麼事時，一個西方的影響，跳進入中國與質量控制和最優質的材料和最優質的工廠，他或她可以信任和製造商的最高質量的小車在價格的一半在台灣和歐洲。
all i can say is god help taiwan and europe if this happens .and from what i have been reading it seems companies like himoto racing ,cobra and nanda are nearly there with there western influence.所有我可以說是上帝幫助台灣和歐洲如果發生這種情況，並從什麼，我一直讀，似乎公司一樣， himoto賽車，眼鏡蛇和南達近有與有西方的影響。
like they say you can only trust 1% of factories in china and if you have that 1% your there .像他們說，你只可以信任的1 ％ ，在中國設廠如果你有1 ％您有。
Reputated brands will not jump into China 100% cause those guys in China are real suckers. reputated品牌將不會跳轉進入中國100 ％事業的那些傢伙在中國是真正的吸孔。 Businesses in the world knows how they conduct business.企業在全世界都知道他們如何開展業務。
Like 1:1 VW cars……..those chinese imitate the the parts and sell them at 1/2 the price.像1:1大眾汽車… … ..那些中國模仿的零件和出售他們在1 / 2的價格。
My guess….Himoto, Cobra and Nanda will be wiped out in the near future…..the chinese will launch a new buggy in the market using their expertise and their money…LOL…CH 1….LOL and don’t know what hit them.我的猜測… … 。 himoto ，眼鏡蛇和南達將被淘汰，在不久的將來… ..中國將推出一項新的小車在市場上使用他們的專業知識和他們的錢… lol …你一… … 。 lol和不知道什麼打擊他們。
Then will the chinese survive….YES….same product…1/2 the price…with full upgrade….ceramics bearings…to offer…and they will cause Taiwan a big chunk of their market.然後將中國的生存… … 。是… … 。同一產品… 1 / 2的價格…全面升級… … 。陶瓷軸承…提供…他們會造成台灣的一大大塊市場。
Reputated Kyosho, Mugen, Xray, Crono and etc will not be affected as they are the higher end which most drivers or season drivers will prefer. reputated kyosho ，木， X射線， crono等將不會受到影響，因為它們是高端，其中，大部分司機或季節司機會喜歡。 The RTR however will suffer a drop though…該rtr ，但將出現下降，雖然…
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